GTR vs ZR1 - Not What You Think
 

Yes, I just joined this site so we can get that out of the way right off the bat. And yes, I'm a ZR1 fan. I'm here to talk about the one area where the Z06 and ZR1 completely own the GTR. The fans themselves.

I'm a member of many automotive enthusiast sites. I see a ton of bickering between Vette and GTR fans and Porsche and GTR fans. So I've been doing a little research. You can feel free to try this yourself and you'll come to the same conclusions.

Basically, GTR fans are trolls. Period.


Here at GTR Forums if you search for ZR1 you will find a grand total of 36 posts. That's it (as of my first post). You'd think that since the ZR1 just laid the smackdown on the Nurburgring that Chevy fans everywhere (and there are far more of these than GTR fans) would be flooding the GTR Forums with all sorts of trolling posts gloating about the ZR1 time. But here we have a measly 36 posts.

Now you go over to any of the Corvette forums and search for GTR. You'll quickly find there are so many posts that the search engine usually stops after the first several hundred results (whatever the forum default is). And they are filled with trolls making intelligent comments like "GTR pwns Z06".

The same thing (but to a lesser extent) also exists at Porsche forums.


So what does this show? Well, the maturity of the GTR fan for one. Have they nothing better to do than to register at Corvette sites for the sole purpose of stirring up sh&t? I guess not. And considering that, as mentioned, Corvette and Porsche fans (and the number of forums/users) far outweighs GTR fans (and forums/users), it's surprising that such a small group of people can generate so much garbage. It's like the duty of GTR fans everywhere is to go around and preach the gospel that your saviour, the GTR, has finally arrived.


Be thankful that the Chevy guys aren't little kids like the GTR bois. Otherwise you could find your site overrun. I mean, Corvetteforums has almost 200,000 members. You guys have barely over 3,000. What if, for example, the Chevy guys decided to give you a little taste of your own medicine. With that many users, they could create umpteen accounts and completely overwhelm your community.


Perhaps you should keep that in mind next time you start trolling on another website...

I'm glad that the ZR1 beat the GTR time. It should considering the pre-market adjustment price difference. Throw in current market adjustments on the GTR and projected adjustments on the ZR1, and the price difference should be even greater. Since I have not yet put money down on a GTR and do not plan on doing so until I can get one for MSRP or less, I pray for competition like this to keep Nissan dealerships in their place. The GTR is no longer the be-all-end-all. It will be up to the V-spec to try to take that title back. People should just get off their high horses and admit that competition is good for advancing technology and keeping down prices. It's not like anyone on any of these forums posted these lap times. Post your own lap time in your car and compare it to someone elses in theirs and then you will have something to be proud of. Right now, it is only Nissan or Chevy that have something to gloat over.

This has to be a teenage chick w/ no life.

Say hi to your lover congoman775 for me. We're trolls? Interesting claim when you're barging in trolling yourself! :lol:

Good level minded post. But stop trolling! :lol:

Dude, just like you have the right to look at the GTR forum, we should have the right to look at "your" forum. If you are speaking in reference to my post to congoman775 where I linked to corvetteforums, then I find it interesting that you call me a troll. I didn't post on that forum like congo did. In fact, I've been following the ZR1 forum for a long time now simply based off the fact that I think the ZR1 is an awesome car. I personally like the GTR better, but that doens't mean that the ZR1 is any less of a car. We all have preferences and we should all respect those preferences.

On the other hand, when someone comes from another forum and basically says "uh hey guys...uh, the GTR sucks" (i.e. congoman); I don't exactly hold that person's opinion in high regard, and I think they deserve to get a run for their money...especially when they're posing to be something they're not. I'm surprised you're running to the rescue of such an ignorant poster...

Case and point: the GTR, Vspec GTR, Z06 and ZR1 are all very accomplished cars. Enough of the drive by posting and threats to "overpower" our community. In fact, we haven't invaded your site, I simply referenced it to dispute one of your own peeps. Let's keep some mutual respect here.

let's keep it down and provide good substance for both cars, cool reviews, good clips, personal opinions designated as such...

wow...
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im not sure what these GTR guys are getting off on these days.


they dont have the fastest car, not by a long shot.

they dont have the best track car. (ZR1)

they dont have the most powerfull car.

they dont have the lightest car.

they dont have the best handling car.


im not sure what your arguing about anymore?

Who needs to argue?
Chevy does not have the fastest car either. (Veyron or the new Saleen Raptor I believe)
Chevy does not have the best track car. (The Vspec will come in under the ZR1 time)
Chevy does not have the most powerful car. (Once again, Veyron or some other exotic)
Chevy does not have the lightest car. (Ariel Atom or something similar)
Chevy does not have the best handling car. (Probably the Evo X believe it or not)

Your points are kind of narrow minded, especially since the ZR1 can't lay claim to any of those titles. It will definitely not come in as the best bargain either. The draw to the GTR is its versatility (at least for me). All weather drivability, back seats, nice interior, relatively inexpensive even with the current mark ups. I will never be able to afford a ZR1 (massive markups expected). I will consider the Z06 if the GTR does not fall to MSRP within a year. But i will be settling for the Z06 because it does not have everything I want in a car. I guess you will have to settle for a GTR or Z06 also, unless you plan on spending $150,000 - $200,000 anytime soon.

Woaaaaaaaaaaa buddy.

who said i humped chevy's leg like you hump Nissan's?

i was just pointing out that the GTR sucks. not that chevy rules.

ohhh and the GTR lost btw, you must not have heard. ZR1 beat its track record with a non-proffessional driver.

and ps. after the GTR-V comes out with its "big number" the ZR1 is going to get their driver and lower the record below the V.

just let you guys have your 15 minutes before the fall. again.

and honestly id go Z06 way before the GTR.


the Z06 is probaly my favorite stock car in existance right now, and id beat any GTR fan boy i came up against.

why?


because the Z06 has so much tourque that it never bottoms out and stops pushing like the GTR. the GTR can hang with real cars for 0-70 then it starts to show whyyyy it is the cheapest out of all of them as it banks off sharply.

go look at a dyno run from a GTR, it will show why the GTR would never win a straight away race (which keep in mind, encompasses about 99% of all races) due to the lack of power comming from the car.

oh and the funny thing about that, is they also proved Nissan lied about how much power they gave the GTR to make it seem more like a miracle vehicle than anything. 480? try 550-600 hp.

trust me buddy go Z06. if for nothing else, to avoid the image of 'Ricer' which ud recive from most people who again where trying to comprehend why you spent so much money on such an ugly jap crap car.

You're not a Chevy lover? Could have fooled me. But at least I can admit that someone else makes a great car. You don't see me hating on the Z06 or ZR1 because they are great cars. And even though the ZR1 is not a realistic goal for ownership, I can admit to considering the Z06. I can't see you doing the same for any Japanese (and I'm guessing European) car. You pretty much stated that anyone who will drive a GTR will be considered a ricer. You better go look up the term ricer and check the definition.
As far as underating horsepower goes, all manufacturers have been doing that since the muscle car days. Some of those high out put American muscle car engines from the 60's and 70's could actually almost double the claimed horsepower.
Physics does not lie, and if you consider that the regular GTR is only a couple of seconds behind the ZR1, then the V-spec, with more HP and proabaly at least 200 less lbs will shave a huge amount off the GTR time.
But why argue about that. Because you are right about the fact that someone will come along and beat the V-spec, ZR1, GTR times. It will probably happen within the year. And it will most likely not be one of the cars mentioned above. Porsche will not sit by for too long while others eclipse their times. Hey look, the GTR lover can say that he likes Porsche's too. The GT2 and GT3 are incredible cars. I am considering a 996 GT2 or a 997 GT3 also.
I can not and will not dispute numbers with you. The magazines and various testers all come up with different numbers for their tests. The only thing I can prove without any doubt is that you are extremely narrow minded when it comes to cars. You have proven that yourself. Just read your own posts. Keep thinking the way you do. That will leave more good cars for the rest of us. Go buy your Z06 or ZR1 if you can afford one. i will have my next car in 2009. PM me next Summer and we'll take them to the track. If you beat me, then you will have something to gloat about. Oh, and I did not say that I would be in a GTR for sure. I guess it could be any of the cars mentioned above except for the ZR1. Who will be buying the ZR1's? Chevy enthusiasts who have way more money than me and will just have to have the latest and greatest Corvette. Most will buy them and shove them in their garage under a car cover. They will take them out on Sundays and drive them around the block once or twice. I better stop writing now, I'm starting to sound like you:) .

nope i like European cars. i have 2 porsche's 1 BMW and a Masserati in my family.

i just dont like japanese cars. you wanna know why they dropped the name skyline?

because no one likes japanese cars and they are trying to reinvent themselves to the outside world.

as for the GT2, that is an amazing car and id encourage you to get one. We have one ordered already, should have it within the next 6 months or something like that. even though im not sure how you realisticly can be concidering a 200,000 dollar porsche when you claim the ZR1 is too expensive at 103k.

anywho the reason im on here is not to make the GTR sound like a piece of shyt car. but to remind the GTR fan boys who have been getting off in corvette forums now for months that the GTR really isnt the Savior for cars. i dont know a single person who would rather have a GTR than an M3 for the same price. and i know alot of people who know alot about cars.

The GTR is a great car, and one of the 10 best track cars in the world. but its not better than the corvette ZR1 no matter how much we debate it. and of course the Viper Boys would be arguing that their SRT-10 Viper ACR would beat either one, and realistically it could. 0-60 in almost 3.0 with 600hp. its a bullet. And as for the ricer tag people get driving a GTR... i think ricer might be a bit of a stretch due to how expensive the car actually is. but ill stick by this. there is nothing more pathetic than a 94' civic with a giant wing and japanese writing with neons pulling up next to you wanting to race.

No one likes Japanese cars including you, but you drive an Accord:confused: . Japan has had some of the best selling car models ever.
Make sure and read my post again. I stated that I was looking at a 996 GT2. You can get the last model for much less than the 997 version. And most of the ones you see for sale have less than 10,000 miles on them. The 997 GT3 is creeping down to around 100K for 2007's with less than 10,000 miles. And the ZR1 may never be available for the 103K MSRP. Remember the markups.
But once again, I have to say that the GTR will be the ultimate car for versatility. Others will beat it at the dragstrip, some will beat it at the track, some are less expensive. But if you want a car that you can drive to the track in comfort (not like the Viper), track it, drive it home in the rain with very little loss in performance (not like the Viper or the ZR1), pick up the wife and kids (again not like the Viper or ZR1), and go out cruising, the GTR is your best bet.
I apparently do not have the money that your family does. But you keep saying family which tells me that the cars are not yours. Mommy and Daddy's cars? Anyway, they may be able to afford a car for each of the different situations above. I can't, which is why I and just about everyone else should consider the GTR as one of the best, if not the best, all around cars.

that is what i have been getting at... the GTR is not the Best Car. Merely, one of the best.

There are certain aspects of the car which make is appealing to others, and certain aspects which repel or spark controversy.

yes that was my mistake, im so used to seeing the new GT2 my eyes skipped over that. But to be 100% honest with you... if you're going to drop 100K on a car. id look into a lesser expensive car and then Mod it. It wil perform better as long as you do it the right way.

So if its just you and the girlfriend, id say go test drive a Z06. If its you the wife and kids then the GTR might be the way to go. Buttttt if it really was you the wife and kids. id get an M5. have you ever been in an M5? its amazing. There isnt any better way to go 0-60 in 4.0

as for the Accord, i wasnt lieing. i hate that car. it was my first car when i turned 16 and it is special to me just because it was my first car, but the appeal stops there. I am only 19, so i have some time to stuff my money pockets before i invest in nice cars myself, but i do get a chance to drive a 07' Z06 which my dad unofficially gave to me and my brother.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=qreQwTeaVWY


Why is it That Inside Line and Edmunds Understands but this guy doesn't rofl..

They Says. ..

"Ask a bunch of Car guys what the ultimate Track car is .. And each will give you a Different Answer.

But which Modern Performance car is as dominate on a twisty mountain road as it is on a race track.

You see.. In a real world There are bumps ,Road paint,debris,and blind corners. All which act as great Equalizers.

GTR wins.. Of course it does...

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I used to drive A 2005 Mitsubishi Evolution 8 MR and i Loved IT!!!!!!!.. Why? because i live in the Mountains and always have a 10 minute drive up and down the mountain.. What car Gave me the most pleasure>???? AWD TRUBO.. I loved passing M3s and Vettes on Turns because they couldn't Hang on the Crazy Turns and a all out Handling Course. All i did was put a few Bolt ons ( HKS Cams shafts272 intake and exhaust/Gear, Fuel Pump, boost Controller 23 PSI , Intake , 3 inch Turbo back, Front Mount IC) and it was game on on the freeway as well. I raped every Z06, Viper, M3, M5, Porsche, and even some Sports Bikes. Every car except one which was a Lingenfelter. Dont get my wrong i Love Lots of Horsepower and straight lines, But u gotta remember.... There is always someone out there that is faster then you. If you Like fixing up your Car then its preference... I raced my Dads Z06 and his Dodge Viper on the Freeway, And he was shocked that a $36k car with some Bolt ons was raping The viper and Vette on the freeway cause it dilivered the power faster to the wheels ( on the top end they would creep up to my sideview mirrors .. Example 60- 140 mph) .. MY dad is an American , German Loving Car Guy and said these words " I took you Evolution Out for a drive and WOW. It grips the Road Like a Lion Gripping its Prey when it is going to Kill it."

In a Real World An Automatic Twin Clutch That shifts at .2 seconds is what counts on the streets. No tire Spin NO Mis Shifts no problems.

You rape regardless on the Mountain Roads where i Love to race And here in SO CAL Angeles Crest.

And a few bolt ons if you really want to do Freeway Runs..

Dont Flame here because your not doing anything.. Everyone here is here because of what they Love and not because of what Magazines say.

I wanted A GTR since i was 12 and now i Got one comming here on July 24th At MSRP and im taking it.

I told my dad i wanted a GTR and he said , " if you dont want to wait, I will stop by the Corvette dealer and pick you up a Z06 any Color you want"

Thats how easy it is to get a Z06 .. Try to get a GTR. ESPECially at MSRP like i did.

I refused the Z06 and he knows why. Because he learned with my Evolution what wonders Japanese engineers can do with AWD turbos.

Again .. There is no point saying the Z06 is better or the GTR because the GTR raped the Z06 around the track and will do so on the streets where there are turns and bumps and Gravel and Paint on the ground with tire spin. The ZR1 will Compete with the GTR and the Spec V will Demolish The ZR1 Mock my Words. If the ZR1 is like 20 Seconds faster then the Z06 you think the Spec V will only be 3 seconds faster? Give me a break man .. 1+1 = Spec V The car will get under 7:20 on the Track and will retain the Title.


Between a car that delivers 650 bhp and is 600 Pounds lighter then the GTR .. To get 3 seconds faster around the track and for People to jump up and talk **** about the GTR is PATHETIC. When the Spec V is Out and is lighter and has more HP and rapes the ZR1 then Corvette lovers will talk **** once again ... Say its bull**** that the SPec V makes more power then it Claims Blah Blah Blah. FACT is.. You got beat by an automatic car that is 600 pounds heavier..

Live with it man. Nothing you can say is going to change anything ... The numbers are on the internet and Magazine sites and if you GOOGLE GTR every video there the GTR wins vs every car it is put up against. And Im suprised Car and driver ( owned by Rednecks and Hillbillies and american Car drives ) Tested the GTR at 4.0 0-60 when every other car company managed a 0-60 of 3.2 - 3.3... ANyone smell some bs?

well W/e man IM sure ur gonna respond with some **** talking because hey.. Apples Tastes Like Oranges RIghT?

haha ok i hope you didnt spend to much time on this.

i stopped reading after you claimed your evo would beat out a Z06.

Next?

Don't dismiss a modded Evo. There is a guy that lives here in town that owns an Evo IX RS with less than $15,000 in modificati0ns. last I heard it was putting down 450 HP to all four wheels along with nearly 500ft/lbs of torque. He was running around 10.7 in the 1/4 with time slips and video to prove it. Eventually a Z06 would start to catch up and pull away, but we are talking well above 130-150 mph. The Evo would probaly still be ahead at 1/3 to 1/2 mile. But once you start talking about modding you can throw everything out the window. The fastest Evo IX is doing the 1/4 somewhere around 8.7 or so (I believe it is still the AMS vehicle that holds the record though Buschur is close behind). Remember, this is a 4 cylinder engine doing this. Granted, if you took the same amount of money and threw it into a Z06, it would be quicker (can you say STS rear mount twin turbos to add around 150-200 hp). But you still have the great handling (probably the best) and the awd with the Evo. And you have a huge trunk, rear doors, and seating for five. Throw some snow tires on it and embarass everything on the road in the winter time.:smilie_th Make sure and check out some You Tube videos with modded Evos. You might be surprised.

I was actually looking at an M3 sedan, but they are more luxury with less performance as compared to the GTR and others. They are great for crazy powersliding and cruising at higher speeds on the highway, but drifting is not the quickest way around a corner and I don't do that much highway driving. Still a great car for the purpose it serves. The 135i has good potential for a track car. The M5 is just too much of a porker. It makes awesome power but does not have the technology like the GTR (which is a porker too) to get around corners fast. Once again, it was made for high speeds on the Autobahn, not so much for the track.

The biggest difference between the Germans BMW's and Porsches and The Japs GTR on this subject is...

its motivation.

The Porsche and BMW brands are Luxury brands which offer world class performance along with world class quality and engineering.

You dont get that feeling with the GTR. Its more like the corvette in the way it has a sole purpose and that is to perform and perform well.

Id go with an M3 (coupe) because of how well everything is balanced.

0-60 in 4.1 (the same speed Car and Driver got w/ the GTR)

World class everything. you can pick on any aspect of the car and find it at the top of its class. The M3 might be the best car in the entire world all things concidered.

The GTR has a quality interior, but even the interior is designed towards performance. i mean seriously, who really NEEDS a digital engine read-out monitor in your center council? i know i dont.

Rofl Congo is a moron.. You gotta remember this When you read his Posts guys... He is 18 years old and telling people who have owned and Modded and Raced Cars for years what is right and what is wrong. Hey Congo, do you know what a Clitoris is???? Go stick to your Honda man. IF you think An Evo Cant beat a Fixed up Z06 here you go man

http://youtube.com/watch?v=5zkYMy4c5ZY just for u.

Wow congo...do you need to go get your meds refilled? I could directly quote you from your other troll thread where you said "I'm a fan of japanese and american cars". You have some serious issues you need to resolve. Please keep gloating with stupiduty about whatever the hell comes to your mind. You really don't appear to be a fellow sports car enthusiast but it's entertaining to try to follow your madness. Oh and congrats on having cars in your family. That's amazing!!!:uppydown3

As for Evolve.

Im not sure what that comment was supposed to inspire... but i can honestly say i am sorry for you, and for people like you.

seriously though, ive seen a video of a honda civic beat a GT2 in a drag race, but what does all that mean? jackkkk shiittttttttt.

why? well ill let you sit on that one. apparently you've got years of free time to work with that in between mowing the lawn for your neighbors.


second.


winkie. i lied. get over it.


and yea dont hate on rich people just because you've been reduced to driving evo's for years.

ROFL RICH? **** u u *****.. i make 14 grand a month and own my own business and im 22. My dad has a Dodge Viper and Has a 42 ft boat for the weekends.. Dont talk to me about money u 2nd Class Degenerate. You need to get off your High horse you fag. Your Family is rich and you drive a honDA? EAt My ****. YOur a damn Fool and No wonder you drive a Honda.. IF you bother people here on the forums as much as you bother your family its no wonder you drive a Honda when your dads loaded.

My house Room is bigger then your Master bedroom you little Kid.. Dont talk about Rich ok ? Or i will Bust my Wallet on your Forehead.

HAHAHAHAHAHA



dude.


you just made my day, you really did!!!

i love guys like you. make the real rich kids smile =)


your such a ****in prick for even trying to make that argument.

ok heres your reply.

6 houses.

4 boats of a combined 335' feet.

8 cars (including mine and my moms)

and a Family jett. to go up and visit our 27,000 square foot house on the weekends and in the summer in new england.


shut the *** up.

haha no joke dude, i just showed your reply to like 8 of my friends, keep em comin! we're all gettin a kick out of this!!!!

ROFL!!!!! and he drives a Honda... Anyone believe this kiD? With my Life my First car was a 2003 BMW 540 Sports Package and this guy drives a Honda .. ROFL!>..

Kid.. Lie more ok? or just go /wrist

...and we could say the same thing about the ZR1...but I won't because I think that it's a reputable car (unlike yourself).

And as far as you lying, well that just furthers the reason we should see your comments as worthless. Is your full time job raising the BS flag? If not you should consider leaving your "paper or plastic" job.:bsflag:

lol you are too funny.

honestly, i enjoy your taunts. it just makes me seem better, the fact that i couldnt possibly have everything i have!

but to be realistic, i could give a **** whether you really belive me or not. you have fun on your 42' dingy.

As for the two of you.

ive been to glendale. **** hole. cant understand why anyone who isnt looking for a pole in their ass would live there.

cant say the same for boston. we have a place up on Beacon in boston, love it up there. even though i cant imagine being able to put up with boston traffic in a manual STI..?



oh and as much as you' like to say that bout the Zr1 it wouldnt mean anything. its a stock car. not modded jap crap.

Geesh. What did you guys do in this forum before i got here? circa-jerk?

this forum is so boring. none of you guys are gonna be able to afford the GTR anyways, so i guess all your upcoming threads will be like...


"I just got a GTR on Gran tourismo!!!"

Great.

...another 15-year-old reject from corvetteforums.com....haha.

seems like you guys were talking about "THE BEST CAR", I like all cars, but the best car? just get a Bugatti EB 16.4 Veyron with the W16 Engine Turbocharged, all you rich bastards :). I like both skyline and Z06 plus porsche too but all these cars are just not in the Veyron's class. Point is just get the car you can afford and tune it as much as you like jeeeez. People buy cheap cars and tune the HELL OUT OF IT!! because they can't afford GTRs or Z06, only some people can. Like me :) But hey if I had all the money in the world? I get all the cars. I just love sport cars.

I hate to be a pain... but it appears as though you misspelled 'GTR' as 'CAMRY'

you should buy some typing classes!:smilie_th

No need to buy anything because I do drive a camry :) and I love GTR FYI.

wow.. i just read the full thread!

that guy is just a kid!!! :o he doesnt know anything..:smilieth

Anyway, we should just ignore it.. whoever didnt drive a GTR, doesnt know what it is.. :D

The majority of GT-R fans DO NOT "troll on other websites" with the frequency that you claim. The jealousy and antagonism is more often directed at GT-R sites by overly zealous fans of other makes.

Moreover, trolls exist on every forum, for every make of car. It isn't an exclusive phenomenon to GT-R or Corvette sites. Being "a member of many automotive enthusiast sites" you should, of all people, be acutely aware of this fact.

Please stop this childish antagonism or you will be taking a little vacation.

i think he was banned already

good