GTR waiting list
 

is there a waiting list for the new GTR in the states? If so how do I get on it. And will this car be as easy to add horsepower as the old breed?

Yes you can get on a waiting list if your dealer is cool with that. Nobody knows anything about modding the new GT-R, since we don't even know what engine is going to be in it.

so you just go on the waiting list a specific dealer and then wait to see if he is going to rape you at 10K over sticker? The dealers here in Florida make that their specialty.

You don't have any control over that so just hope they will sell it to you at msrp.

trust me at $70,000 they won't be sold out. maybe i can lease one lol!!!

Lets hope so! 997TTs that cost $130k+ are sold out! But than again thats a Porsche.

But I also recall the NSX costing $70k when it first came out and was sold out!

Rule of Thumb
 

I make it a rule of thumb to not buy anything when it first comes out. Why pay $70K for something that will drop as a certified pre-owned in a year or so. We waited this long....a little longer won't hurt, and it helps the pocket book too!:smilie_th

Sometimes it just doesn't matter to be one of the first few to drive it. :D

Hook me up with a spare NSX.. I know you got one between the two 911's.

i spoke to several dealers in Maryland they all want MAJOR markups..... or to "auction them " over msrp, who is willing to pay themost over msrp....

Im not playing....

-shahul

you don't have to, you can always find it at MSRP, just check states like Montana and such or wait till the winter and buy one in New Hampshire when they can't give them away. Dealers in Pittsburgh were selling new 350Z's under sticker when they came out. Dealers down here in florida wanted like 8K over sticker. Its all in where you buy it.

If you want to see a recent history of a $70,000 car selling for over MSRP just go to Corvetteforum.com and check out the numerous threads in the C6 ZO6 forum.

There were numerous people willing to pay $10,000 - $20,000 over MSRP which drove the market up. Some dealers charged just over msrp and a select few actually charged msrp.

To make a long story short, it takes a lot of phone calls, but the deals are out there.

The problem I see is that Nissan dealers aren't used to selling expensive, highly sophisticated sports cars. They will over-react and treat the car like it is a Ferrari. (i.e. no test drives, big mark-ups, probally won't even let you sit in it without a credit check...LOL!)

-AL

yes, I am on the corvette forum as I own a corvette at the present time, I remember there was a dealer in Montana that was selling for quite good deals. Its just about looking around for them and buying in winter in a state where it snows. sports cars don't sell well in the winter.

we may see a feeding frenzy for the GTR after all. the rollout is excruciatingly slow and painful.

Yes, it will be interesting. I'm sure that demand will outstrip production for at least the first year.

I just wonder what the long term sales will look like. The new GTR is in a unique niche. It is a high tech 2 door 2+2 seat sports coupe, with 450+hp, aimed at the luxury GT market. It will fit in somewhere between the BMW M3 and the Porsche turbo.

The problem is the Marque. Using the Nissan name might put off the potential BMW, Porche, and Mercedes AMG types after the newness factor wears off. I wish Nissan good luck. It will be cool to finally have a production GTR in the states.

-AL

thats what im hoping.... it's rolling out Spring 2008 and I hope to get it in Winter/Fall 2008... I'll wait...

-shahul

PA isnt too far from me.... thanks for the tip, ive been looking in the Wash DC metro area...

-Shahul

Ive been working with a big dealer here in Texas, I reserved the first 3 GTRs theyll be getting. (one for myself, two for my car dealer friend). remember not every dealer will be able to sell GTRs so make sure they can if you really want one!

Wow how many GT-Rs is Nissan planning to sell monthly in the United States? I think it could easily be the biggest market, may be bigger than Japan?

Hey, buddy, Shahul. Didn't know you were on here, too. Good to see you :)

Looking like the R35 is going to be hard to get and very expensive, with wait lists and back-orders. It is just looking that way to me....

The fact that they are only producing 1500 per year will raise the msrp. With a production run like that every year, markup will be extremely high.

My guess is that the first 6 months, the numbers will be insanity. HOWEVER, since the prediction over at Nissan is that the bulk of the cars they sell will be leases, you'll very quickly run out of people willing to shell out $25,000 out of their pocket for a leasehold Nissan -- no matter how cool it is. I also find it VERY doubtful that Nissan Motor Credit will allow financing of significant dealer adjustments. It doesn't happen with Ferrari, it's not gonna happen with Nissan.

At the LA Auto Show, Nissan said a few things that make me believe that they are gonna work hard to get cars in to the hands of customers and try to minimize the "mark up".

Here's what they said:

- The commitment a dealer needs to make to sell the GTR is quite extensive. There's a week long training program being developed that technicians will have to attend. Additionally, there's a rather expensive tool and equipment purchase a dealer must make to service the GTR. (In order to sell the GTR, you need to be equipped and certified to service the GTR).

What does this mean? When the Ford GT came out, there was no such barrier to getting the car, and it was the dealers that got 1 car that were very far from markets where the car would sell that really held the line on pricing. (I owned a GT for a while so I spent a LOT of time searching for one). The theory is that the smaller dealers will not be able to make the service commitment and therefore you wont have the product in inventory in remote markets sitting there with a ridiculous mark up on the car giving the impression of an artificially inflated market.

- A factory-run online pre-order system will be announced soon. I could not get an answer about whether or not a pre-order of the car in the system will be a safe-harbor to get a car at MSRP before cars go in to dealer inventory. Or whether or not it was a lead generation tool for dealers.

What does this mean? the guys at Nissan know that THEY are the ones that get hurt if the car prices go UP UP UP! If the average car sticker is 71k, and the average transaction price is 91k for the first year, that's $30,000,000 they could have made selling the car that they gave to the dealer network. Plus, it prevents the folks like us who want the car to drive the snot out of it to get the car. And they don't want that. A vibrant aftermarket with greater demand is better for Nissan than a bunch of guys with more money than common sense sticking these cars in their collections and taking them out every other Sunday...

- Finally, I heard from several people several times at several different places that they are trying to institute some deal terms to prevent people from getting the car and flipping it. While it's not very practical or legal to enforce customer contracts that demand that you do not sell the car for a certain period of time, there are things that they can do with their commitment to service and earranty the car.

What does this mean? In the Ferrari world, dealers CANNOT mark up new cars, so some dealers sell cars to customers they know will buy the car for cash, put 300 miles on it, then sell it back and buy something new... Nissan does not want that to happen either, so they are working on some "rules" to make that difficult to do. In the olden days, new owners of the F50 could not buy the car. You could only do a 2-year lease through Ferrari North America. This kept those cars under control price-wise for the first 2 years... Nissan's not dumb, so it'll be interesting to see where this ends up.

So, let's not give up hope just quite yet!

:smilie_th